GNOME/openSUSE meeting

Greetings GNOME/openSUSE lovers, the GNOME team will be holding its next meeting this Thursday at noon EDT/18:00CST/1600 GMT).

As part of our experimentation with meeting format, this week we'll have Stefan Seyfried attend from the mobile devices team to discuss a little about the state of bluetooth (the bluez stack) and bluetooth in GNOME for 10.3 (not good) and in 11.0 (will be *much* better) followed by some QA.

Last meeting:
http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20071018

Next meeting:
http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20071025
or
http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Current

Meeting info:
http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings

In general we follow the project meeting guidelines:
(http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About)

outlined for the openSUSE project, except we use #opensuse-gnome as the IRC channel. Please add agenda items and questions to the meeting page. The week we will be experimenting with grouping hardcore development items at the end and having regular Q&A before that as well as setting time limits for each discussion point.

I wish could attend

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I had the chance to install the GNOME flavor of 10.3 on a spare partition and in this case I have to tell that the result was well worth the effort. Yast and the control center are now almost perfectly integrated with each other, it’s pretty transparent to the user where the GNOME control center ends and Yast starts. In addition, the UI is designed to look similar to the application browser so the whole desktop makes a very coherent impression (except where Yast simply behaves differently than GNOME, for instance instant apply). I would like to see this kind of integration as well in the KDE desktop and hope that this was not done simply because of the impending release of KDE4 and not because of lack of resources.
The only thing I really don’t like after a 2-3 hours of use is the new installation application in GNOME. It doesn’t show which dependencies will be installed before you hit the accept button (I never now if Thunderbird will be installed if I just select the translations package), has some confusing up and down arrows without any explanation of what they do and I personally find the application browser to be a total mess. It’s slow to use, leaves very little space for descriptions and feels generally cramped. In my opinion it’s worse than the Qt counterpart which wasn’t perfect to begin with. Plus, I find it highly frustrating that I can’t see which applications get installed from third-party repositories. If I click on details I only get to see the patches but I have no idea which additional packages will be installed as well.
The new application browser has also some usability quirks. For instance, it cuts of descriptions without an obvious way to see the whole. Mouse over doesn’t work and clicking on an entry simply starts the application itself.
All things considered it’s a good first effort with some finishing touches required around the edges.